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<There are many fantasies about Freemasons, their "machinations" and especially what happens in Lodges and the goal of the “New World Order”…Haha !
What’s the most ridiculous you have heard, or heard of… the biggest misconception or fable about the Craft ?
(PS We all know about the “Morgan Affair” – if you don’t – google it) >
<There are many fantasies about Freemasons, their "machinations" and especially what happens in Lodges and the goal of the “New World Order”…Haha !
What’s the most ridiculous you have heard, or heard of… the biggest misconception or fable about the Craft ?
(PS We all know about the “Morgan Affair” – if you don’t – google it) >
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Re: The biggest misconception or fable is..
Fri, June 8, 2007 - 5:48 AMThat masons wear the apron to cover their erections......I almost fell over when I heard it. -
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Fri, June 8, 2007 - 5:57 AMBrill :)
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Tue, July 31, 2007 - 8:13 AMYeah....has to be a myth. Not big enough. <WINK>
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David Icke
Fri, June 8, 2007 - 6:26 AMThis one comes from Bro Alfredo from Orkut.com (he is from BC in Canade and is 26 yo)
“David Icke is my favorite source of anti-masonic entertain, er, I mean, information.
A little background, I believe, is in order. David Icke was a soccer player who was forced into retirement due to arthritis. He then became a British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) sports presenter, commenting on various middle-of-the-road sports events. He was fired after claiming he was the son of God, reborn Messiah.
He complained that his book "I am me, I am free" had the cover censored in his native England's public libraries. Turns out the cover was a picture of him, naked, in his full frontal glory. Needless to say he blamed the Masons. He has said that he has determined that he is "special" as a result of his amazing ability to find parking spaces in Central London.
Well, my favorite theory of his: his brilliant comedy book, or ground breaking revelation (depending on which side of the sanity spectrum you are), "The Biggest Secret". In it, it is "proven" we Freemasons, along with the Illuminati (whomever that is) and most world leaders are, in fact, seven foot tall, blood drinking, shape-shifting, reptilian humanoids from the star system Alpha Draconis. We are, according to his book, to blame for JFK's assassination. Apparently we perform the old pagan fertility ritual of regicide, or "killing of the king". As well, he claims that it was "Masonic paramedics" who killed the poor, hapless Princess Diana, because she was aware that her husband was an alien reptile who killed little children and drank their blood in Buckingham palace. We are also in collusion with the "Children of the Matrix". And we are the brains behind the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on New York.
He came to Canada to tour and promote his book. After speaking non stop for five hours at the University of Toronto he received a 45 minute standing ovation.
His books sells by the thousands.
Sad.”
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Re: David Icke
Fri, June 8, 2007 - 6:28 AMHas anyone else heard David Icke and the crap he spouts ? I mean CRAP !!!! You can find him on you-tube if you need a laugh or to be horrified ! -
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Re: David Icke
Fri, June 8, 2007 - 6:35 AMWe 7ft tall blood dinking aliens have better things to do than watch You-Tube....we have world to controll after all....Suicide bommers don't just grow on trees you know.....
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Re: David Icke
Fri, June 8, 2007 - 7:37 AMA good idea would be to look at the statistics of how many MAaons were killed in the towers collapse which "should" blow holes in his theories. DUH! Beign from NY that is a touchy subject! & I don;t even live anywhere NEAR NYC. LOL! Seven foot tall blonds huh?
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Re: David Icke
Mon, September 3, 2007 - 7:25 AMUh.....yes they do. Now we just need to get the silly thing to bloom more than once every 7 years.
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Fri, June 8, 2007 - 7:45 AM
That Freemasonry is only for WASPs... I hear that a lot... Not true in my City... -
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Fri, June 8, 2007 - 1:00 PMMasonry is being killed off by grumpy old men who are trying to grab some last glory before they die....oh wait that one is true. -
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Re: The biggest misconception or fable is..
Fri, June 8, 2007 - 6:06 PM
<<Masonry is being killed off by grumpy old men who are trying to grab some last glory before they die....oh wait that one is true. >>
Let's not let it be true :) I am sure we are not the first generation of Brothers to face this problem :) -
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Fri, June 8, 2007 - 9:00 PMThe whole "Riding a Goat" thing just cracks me up =-) -
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Re: The biggest misconception or fable is..
Sat, June 9, 2007 - 12:09 PMyou mean you guys don't ride a goat....weird.
I don't mean to be negative Bloke. I think this battle rages on every 20 years or so. Right now I am up to my eyeballs in it. This struggle between the old and the new, tradition and change may be the true secret of freemasonry. It may be what keeps us alive all these years. -
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Sat, June 9, 2007 - 12:21 PM<<I don't mean to be negative Bloke. I think this battle rages on every 20 years or so.>>
I agree. Sometimes less than 20 years - sometimes it is annual !!! lol
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Sun, June 10, 2007 - 12:18 PMI broke the goats back =-(
No really.. that sort of myth just baffles me... who could RIDE a goat? they're too small... it's a wonder how that even propagated
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Tue, June 12, 2007 - 11:53 AMThe biggest fable that I've heard is that the initiation of a new member involves an altar and a freshly decapitated chicken. I can't count the number of times I've heard references to the "bloody chicken". -
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Unsu...
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Tue, June 12, 2007 - 12:07 PMfunny... that's actually part of (one of) the Triad intitiations... the white chicken represents a traitor, though i can't recall the name right now. -
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Unsu...
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Tue, June 12, 2007 - 12:09 PMseven foot tall AND shape shifting?
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NWO - A Gem
Tue, July 31, 2007 - 4:51 AM
Have you checked the "New World Order" gem at freemason.tribe.net/thread/1...da2fcd5b4
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Re: NWO - A Gem
Tue, July 31, 2007 - 6:50 AMtoo funny...
whenever i hear someone mention the 'new world order' i usually bite a line from krs-one and ask them if they prefer the 'old state chaos' -
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Re: NWO - A Gem
Tue, July 31, 2007 - 7:38 AMI don't thing riding the goat means getting on the goat..... think more like mounting the goat.... -
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Re: NWO - A Gem
Tue, July 31, 2007 - 8:25 AMBut one would mount an animal before one rides it.
Hm......maybe I'm not thinking in the right gutter today.
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Re: The biggest misconception or fable is..
Sun, September 2, 2007 - 8:56 PMStraight from "Debunking Common Myths about Freemasonry " and adapted from "Freemasonry for Dummies"
www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/D...d-4120.html
Information on this starters book is at www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/D...597965.html
Modern Freemasonry has been around since 1717. The first concocted untruths about the Order appeared in print at almost the same time. The United States was consumed by anti-Masonic hysteria in the late 1820s, and Europe has made Mason-bashing a popular sport for two centuries, often tying it to anti-Semitic propaganda. The Internet has only served to resurrect these myths, as they get dragged out and repeated all over again. Here are some of the most common ones.
The lodge goat
Freemasons do not ride a goat in their lodges. It's a joke, perpetrated often by Masons themselves on nervous initiates.
Since at least the Middle Ages, the goat has been symbolic of the devil, and stories were circulated then of witches who called forth Satan, who came riding into town on a goat to take part in their blasphemous orgies. Then, as the Freemasons gained in popularity, detractors accused them of witchcraft, which is probably where the notion of initiates riding a goat came from.
It didn't help that some early ritual books from the fraternity referred to God as "God of All Things" and abbreviated it as G.O.A.T. That was quickly changed, and God is now referred to by Masons by the acronym G.A.O.T.U., for Grand Architect of the Universe.
Old catalogs from fraternal supply companies in the late 1800s actually offered mechanical goats for use in other fraternal organizations and "fun" degrees. As the golden age of fraternalism resulted in literally hundreds of other groups popping up in competition with the Masons, some were obviously less serious than others. Such items only served to perpetuate the myth that Masons and other fraternities required a goat-ride ritual for their initiations. Freemasonry never has.
Rest assured: There is no lodge goat. The degrees of Masonry are serious business to Freemasons, and there is no horseplay (or goatplay).
The All-Seeing Eye and the U.S. $1 bill
If you saw the movie National Treasure, you know all about this one. The back of the U.S. $1 bill contains Masonic imagery of the All-Seeing Eye over an Egyptian pyramid. And everybody knows that's a Masonic symbol, right?
Well, not really. The eye and the pyramid are actually part of the Great Seal of the United States, which was put on the back of the $1 bill in 1935. There is indeed an All-Seeing Eye floating over an unfinished pyramid, with the words annuit coeptis (Latin meaning, "He [God] has favored our undertakings").
Beneath it are the words, novus ordo seclorum, which translate as "A new order of the ages." It does not mean "a new world order," as has been alleged, which is just one more reason to lament that high schools don't teach Latin classes anymore. (New world order would be written as novus ordo mundi. So there. Now go conjugate ten irregular verbs.)
A committee of four men, including Benjamin Franklin (the only Freemason in the bunch), designed the Great Seal of the United States in 1776. The image of the eye within a triangle to represent God was suggested by the only artist among them, Pierre du Simitiere — who was not a Freemason. Two other committees tinkered with the design before being approved. The unfinished pyramid was suggested by Francis Hopkinson (another non-Mason), and none of the final designers was a Mason.
The eye within a triangle to represent God appears throughout the Renaissance, long before speculative Freemasonry arrived on the scene. The triangle being three-sided represents the Christian belief in the Trinity of God — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. No records associate Freemasonry with the symbol before 1797, nor is the symbol in any way related to the Bavarian Illuminati.
As for the unfinished pyramid, it represents the strong, new nation of the United States, destined to stand for centuries, just as the famous pyramids have stood in Egypt. There are 13 rows of stones, representing the 13 original colonies, with the image of God watching over them.
Many Masonic lodges, especially in Europe, display the All-Seeing Eye just as it is used on the $1 bill — as a nondenominational representation of God. There is nothing sinister or occult about it, and there are numerous instances of it appearing in Christian art from the 1600s onward.
The Masonic bible
Masons have been accused of using their own, presumably Satanic, bible in their ceremonies. Many people have seen Masonic bibles for sale on eBay and elsewhere and clearly believe that Bibles used by Masons are somehow different.
This myth is actually a two-part one. Lodges in predominantly Christian communities commonly have the custom of presenting the new Master Mason with a commemorative heirloom Bible. In the United States, the most common one is the 1611 translation of the King James version, published especially for Masonic lodges by Heirloom Bible Publishers of Wichita, Kansas. It contains an area in the front for the Mason to commemorate important dates in his degree work, places for his brethren to sign the record of his degrees, and a 94-page glossary of biblical references relating to Masonic ceremonies, along with essays about Masonry and some common questions and answers. The rest of it is the entire King James version of the Old and New Testament that is available in any bookstore.
The second part of this myth has to do with the use of the Volume of Sacred Law in a Masonic lodge. All regular, well-governed lodges must have a book considered sacred to its members open on the lodge altar during meetings. Depending on what part of the world the lodge is in and the beliefs of the lodge's members, this sacred book could be the Bible, the Hebrew Tanach, the Muslim Koran, the Hindu Veda, the Zoroastrian Zend-Avesta, or the Proverbs of Confucius. It's simply referred to as the Volume of Sacred Law, as a nonsectarian term.
In the lodges that operate within the Grand Orient of France, atheists are allowed to join. The Grand Orient believes that a man's religious beliefs — or lack of them — are his own business and that it's improper for their lodges to require him to believe in anything. Furthermore, instead of filling up their altars with many sacred books to satisfy members of many faiths, their lodges are allowed to substitute a book with blank pages as their Volume of Sacred Law, so as not to force any religious beliefs on any of their members. Remember: The Grand Orient of France is considered irregular and is unrecognized by mainstream Grand Lodges around the world. Even so, a blank book is no Masonic Bible either.
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Here is a good one !
Tue, October 23, 2007 - 8:14 AM